this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
"It's genuine Joe. They used it to train elders in how to interact with people with depression"
Thank you. If they're going to show this at CLAM meetings, it over-rides any subsequent more proper advice.
Now to promulgate it. Let them hang by their own petard, I say.
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
"What can l say apart from is this a set up or a joke of some kind?lt cant be for real can it?Surely not."
I hope that it is a set-up, a joke or a parody -but from what I've read here it (sadly) seems to be genuine.
Can anyone here confirm this as 100% genuine? If so, it needs to be promulgated.
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
Thinking about this video more rationally - and accepting it as official WT policy - I have some more thoughts.
Here in UK we have the charity 'The Samaritans' which runs anonymous phone helplines, and more. They do a superb job provid'Samaritans'ing someone to talk to when suicidal. They are trained and know what they are doing. My mother, my brother, and ex-wife #1 were 'Samaritans' and I have a huge respect for this charity. ('Charity' in its proper sense, not the WT sort). It is widely regarded.
I would love to forward this video to the Samaritans and ask for their comments.
I was also thinking about the ARC. Mr Stewart perceptively noted the 'captive concept' of this cult. Would forwarding a copy of this video enhance the understanding of the ARC about their cult procedures?
And the current UK enquiry under HHJ Lowell Goddard. This video, = current teaching, may inform the enquiry.
And, less rationally, that sleazeball slimeball elder in the video needs a smack or a kick in the nuts to wipe that greasy smile off his face. (That was not a rational comment, and I apologise for it.)
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
OK, I'm showered, caffeined and nicotined.
But no less affected by this video - and I am assuming here from previous comments that this is being held up as the correct response by the 'Chosen Ones'. Barf.
Suicide
I have some experience of this. Professionally and personally, and in this context I don't mind sharing.
I was a police officer for 30 years. I have seen many suicides up close, by various methods, and had the experience of telling loved ones about it. My last posting, as a supervisor, involved being 'on-call' and my most poignant memory is of going out at 3 am to the suicide of a 15 year old girl. I cried with the parents. This is not recommended professional behaviour. I had a daughter the same age.
My father in law hung himself - he was younger than I am now. I had the job of telling my then wife, our children, and organising the funeral.
And personally - I've been there, more than once. PTSD and other stuff. I'm still here. I probably wouldn't be if the help I received was limited to the sh*tbags in this video.
Next bit to follow
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
Random thoughts.
She says 'I can't go on'. 'I need help'. The f**kwits are not listening.
Bro sleazeball is talking in that slow slightly-slurred voice as if he is a) slightly drunk, b) a mystic or c) a Medicine Man.
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
Another coffee and another cigarette needed - but I'll just say this.
I've been on this site for many years. I thought I'd seen the depths of the WT (especially after the ARC fiasco). But seeing this video has shown me that this cult is worse than I had thought, and that's taken some doing.
It takes a lot to shock me, but this has done it. And it's out of the WT's own mouth.
this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
I never was a JW.
My first impression on watching that video was that it was a parody. Sadly, it's apparently not. A sleazy slimeball grinning smirking tw*t and his sidekick (would you buy a used car from these men?) go to visit a recently bereaved young widow, pull out the NWT and a magazine, talk about Job and being an 'integrity keeper'? WTF?
(My evil mind saw this as the first chapter in a porno movie - followed by one or both of the f**kwits calling back for extra-mural 'shepherding' visits).
This made me so angry that I'll stop there. I need a coffee and a cigarette before I comment further. But I'll be back.
court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.
a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.
http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.
Mephis:
Sorry, just saw your post from yesterday. Thank you for that.
court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.
a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.
http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.
(Probably my last comment on this point).
RC (and perhaps other institutions, I don't know) mandate that the confession between penitent and one priest are sealed. Fine. Confidential. Secret,
JW rules are not. (Two elders, JC, notes made, reported to branch, etc.) Not confidential. Not secret.
THAT'S the f**cking difference!
court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.
a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.
http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.
"I'm sure it's why Jackson (eventually) appeared on the Aussie RC last year"
I have to say that having watched the ARC proceedings I was impressed by the way that HHJ McClellan and CA Stewart in a caring, empathetic, way ensured that Jackson gave evidence. It wasn't their fault that Jackson was such a doofus. He did that all on his own.
